Mufasa

TOB isn't the hardest content in the game, PvP is

 

Also the people saying no to this suggestion don't even do duos lmao, they do 4-5 man raids with boosting service, so I don't see what the issue is here? We're not asking 3-5 man TOB to be easier

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@Mack Incorrect, you're making personal attacks I'm questioning the motivating factors behind someone's opinion. We're all self interested that's not a personal attack, it's just a logical analysis of the situation and the parties within.

Again, you're the one missing the point. Making the scaling more friendly at NM WILL increase overall completions statistically speaking it's impossible for a lower barrier to complete to result in less completions directly.

You previously opposed ToB drop rate changes, are largely responsible for the major overhaul of ToB and created a discord group to profit off the difficulty people have in completing ToB (for diaries), ToB achievements, etc.

You fail to offer any recourse for new and less experienced players other than an entry mode that has highly reduced if not entirely eliminated drop rates.

I question what is it about new players, or those less skilled or with less gear being able to duo ToB that hurts the game overall to such a degree that it outweighs the sad sad state that ToB is in now?

Scythes dropped in price by 2x and no change to ToB activity caused that, most items in TP don't sell anyways bc of a lack of demand (less new players, and people doing ToB where those items are most useful).

What harm does it cause players to have to redo speedruns

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@Mack Incorrect, you're making personal attacks I'm questioning the motivating factors behind someone's opinion. We're all self interested that's not a personal attack, it's just a logical analysis of the situation and the parties within.

Again, you're the one missing the point. Making the scaling more friendly at NM WILL increase overall completions statistically speaking it's impossible for a lower barrier to complete to result in less completions directly.

You previously opposed ToB drop rate changes, are largely responsible for the major overhaul of ToB and created a discord group to profit off the difficulty people have in completing ToB (for diaries), ToB achievements, etc.

You fail to offer any recourse for new and less experienced players other than an entry mode that has highly reduced if not entirely eliminated drop rates.

I question what is it about new players, or those less skilled or with less gear being able to duo ToB that hurts the game overall to such a degree that it outweighs the sad sad state that ToB is in now?

Scythes dropped in price by 2x and no change to ToB activity caused that, most items in TP don't sell anyways bc of a lack of demand (less new players, and people doing ToB where those items are most useful).

What harm does it cause other than make players to have to redo speedruns

Nah at this point you're strawmanning I've literally explained it multiple times how lower hp (AKA SCALING CHANGES) lowers the barrier of completion for new, less skilled, or less equipped players making it easier to have more people learn as they require less players in their party to do attempts and potential completions allowing progress to be made towards closing the wide skill(and network) gap.

Your issue clearly is with me personally and I suggest you use the PM system to tell me about your issues with me. I won't read or reply but feel free to use it.

Support this suggestion. Below are my reasons and personal opinions before I get slated by some has been.

I don’t see any negative effect on the server by making this change. The player base is 80-90% ironman category based and there’s no real economy to damage by making ToB more achievable with new players. Raids are grinded by the majority of players on this sever for account progression over obtaining items to sell.

All players that have been here for some time should relish and support the suggestions that are made to increase potential new players rather than sit there and watch the daily player count drop.

Personally i feel like TOB should scale for duo parties (NOT solo), scaling the hp changes nothing to the difficulty of the raid overall, since less players = less dps, making it no different then 3-4-5 man raids.

To get a tob party going and keep it going at the moment (needing 3-5) ppl is next to impossible most of the times.

It doesnt hurt the game, it doesnt change any of the mechanics , all that would happen is scale the hp down by a little and hopefully make tob more active.

100% support!! 

 

Sometimes theres not enough people doing tob in my time zone so getting 3 people can be difficult. I would love an option or duo or even solo tob scaling !

100% support would make so much sense since really hard to find ppl to raid with u !

As someone who would like to learn the content, bringing back scaling would definitely help make that possible. 100% support

Scaling TOB so that it's able to be duo'd would be a great QoL update

 

Support

Full support, impossible to find a team. Would also make it easier to teach new players

Support 
i use to duo it didn't know it was changed 

100% support, i havent played in a long while and since coming back i have done 1 run of tob due to lack of players willing to do such piece of content, yes people state this is the hardest content in the game but alongside that it is not a viable piece of content due the low playerbase

BIG SUPPORT! 

There is absolutely no reason not to scale it down. I second all the other very good reasons on this suggestion why this should be implemented! +1

L take stop trying to gatekeep content from other players its a private server if you want real hard endgame content OSRS awaits you.

No support, the current scaling for trios+ has verzik completable in less than 1 brew + 1 restore if praying correctly. Anything further reduced will make the raid just too easy to be considered end game content. 

 

Side note we have seen multiple instances of tob nerfed and it has not changed the amount of people to tob. The hp/scaling isnt the issue its the playerbase.

 

Support because with the state of finding groups, duo's or even solo's should be about as hard as Cox/Toa solo and now that's not the case.