16 replies to this topic

[Do Not RWT]

I think with the growing player base it's time to introduce buy offers into the TP.

 

Reason: Currently with only sell offers available, we're all just under cutting each other to try and get the lowest offer, but no way to instantly sell our items for a reasonable price. Newer players if they get a drop teaming at a boss should get the option to instantly sell it to another player on the TP to split the shares with their friends. I believe this would be good to get items and money moving faster in the eco along with more money being taken out with the TP taxes.

 

Cons: It could be argued that price manipulation could happen, but just seeing what happened to tbows jumping from 2.5b to 3b from players hoarding them already shows price manipulation can happen already. I personally don't see a con to this, but wouldn't mind reading feedback on why this isn't a thing yet.

 

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[Examp]

I don't see an immediate harm to the economy in any way. But then again I'm not a mercher/economist.

 

So for now I'll stay Neutral.

[MT]

I'm neutral on this as well. It's debatable on whether or not this would benefit the economy, but I can understand where you are coming from.

[lol Rip]

At one point, in a development blog, @Omicron said he was working and progressing well.  I'm not sure how it has progressed since or if plans for this have been abandoned.  It doesn't bother me either way though.

[Jake M]

This opens up so many more avenues for people to manipulate and take advantage of a smaller eco and player base. Unfortunately this will forever be a problem with not just this server but for nearly, if not all, private servers. 

 

There just simply is not enough eco flow, players & supply/demand to have this sort of feature. It might work temporarily but, from previous experiences, this just creates a bigger gap from the richer players and the poorer players until eventually its so top heavy that it's basically bogus. 

 

I'm not knocking your idea, quite frankly I'd love for the TP to get a rework, but I just thought i'd share my 2c on how I think it might unfold. 

[Not Shadow]

Yeah, at one point @Omicron said there will be a Grand Exchange feature coming out, Idk where did that go.

 

I'd like to have this, Support.

[Do Not RWT]

I understand where people are coming from that the richest can price manipulate, but that's already currently possible. If someone with enough wealth wanted to, they could buy out for example all bandos chestplates and tassets, and only sell them for 2x the original price, and anyone who put it for less, he'd just buy them out too. Eventually the community will be frustrated and just buy at that new price, thus price manipulation.

 

I'm not saying that adding buy offers would fix this, or possibly make it worse. My suggestion is to give newer players a method in obtaining items and quickly dumping it for quick cash in the TP (most likely to a mercher trying to buy them cheap) to be able to purchase other items they probably want and progress on their accounts faster.

 

If a player gets 2 bandos chestplates at gwd but only needs one, and could sell one to get a tassets, it could be rather annoying to wait around for someone to give a reasonable offer on it, or just keep decreasing their price in the TP and hope no one under cuts them. Rather than quickly selling to the highest buy offer in the TP and buying whatever they need next to keep going. I currently have lots of items I wouldn't mind quick selling, but they're between 10-30m in value and I don't find its worth the effort to sell and then get undercut by 3 other players before I even notice a day later. This could bring more items that people are sitting on in similar situations back into the eco.

[Handsome Man]

No support. 

If it makes it more convenient for you. You can bet the more knowledgeable players will be able to manipulate this ez making them even more rich eco wise. 

 

[Do Not RWT]

No support. 

If it makes it more convenient for you. You can bet the more knowledgeable players will be able to manipulate this ez making them even more rich eco wise. 

 

Are you not supporting only because you think it'll be convenient for me? I may be misunderstanding.

 

Players can already manipulate prices and it isn't too hard, this would just let players be able to sell their items faster that otherwise would be impossible to sell, or for players to put in a buy offer for a rare item that rarely buys/sells and it's only chance that the buyer and seller are on at the same time.

 

Any server that I've ever seen with a Grand Exchange had both buy and sell offers functioning with little to no issues (outside the obvious price manipulation that can already happen), if anything this would be convenient for the newer players doing PVM grinds and bring us closer to being like OSRS.

[Bad Behavior]

I Support, I honestly believe it would decrease price manipulation. It could be set up as so the seller has the option to choose the buyers price or list their own selling price.

[CronLad]

I believe this was mentioned to be a possibility last time @Omicron did a Q&A with @Lowkey

Regardless support

[Omicron]

Yeah this was already accepted. It'll most likely come some time after Runelite.

[Perkamentus]

I would love to see some change to the TP systems as it currently is, but not sure if this is it... Remain neutral

[Do Not RWT]

Yeah this was already accepted. It'll most likely come some time after Runelite.

Thank you Omi for your response

[Handsome Man]

Are you not supporting only because you think it'll be convenient for me? I may be misunderstanding.

 

Players can already manipulate prices and it isn't too hard, this would just let players be able to sell their items faster that otherwise would be impossible to sell, or for players to put in a buy offer for a rare item that rarely buys/sells and it's only chance that the buyer and seller are on at the same time.

 

Any server that I've ever seen with a Grand Exchange had both buy and sell offers functioning with little to no issues (outside the obvious price manipulation that can already happen), if anything this would be convenient for the newer players doing PVM grinds and bring us closer to being like OSRS.

I was stating that this "If it conveniences "you" as in the player. It only seems like a good option up front, but it will be figured out and exploited, when they could easily advertise via cc or in bank avoiding all the coding and processes involved. People will buy an item immediately if you price an item below average price. Ala Bandos Tasset 20m -> Say selling in bank/cc for 15-16m and you'll likely sell within 1min.

I very much like the non-GE approach as too much automation just ruins the fun of having a player market. Having a TP is about as close we can get I think where players still have a definite control over choices. GE takes most of that away and it really just bogs down the server eco. For instance if there was a graph for say, whips, whips would end up taking a nose dive going for less than they are currently going for which is 5m-5.5m. If there was a graph or tracked it would show all the whips that sold for less than 5m, which is not uncommon, but due to how fast this item moves it's price would move in a downward trend quickly. 

Majority of items would all have a downward trend because of a automated system keeping track of what's being sold.

Player initiative keeps prices stable, can they become unstable, probably, but it would only benefit people who want to quick sell an item in your example. It would only hurt people that are not farming that item, but what would happen is if Bandos items all went to 40m, people would farm him more than other methods and would stabilize eventually unless that person really wanted to just own all of said items.

[gear GIM]

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[GunSlingerEA]

I support this