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[H]

Hi all,

 

We recently began discussing the idea of expanding how our experience rate system works.

At the moment when you create an account, the game modes have fixed experience rates that were set on release, for example 8x for HCIM, 40x for UIM and so on. Over the years, we've seen players decide against playing some game modes because they might be too easy or too hard. 

 

We'd like to address that concern by giving you the option to select from three different experience rates upon account creation.

When you create an account and select a game mode(e.g UIM), you will be asked to select from three experience rates;

• 40x(15x post 99)
• 8x
• 4x

 

Will I be able to move between the different experience rates as I wish after account creation?

You will be able to bump up your experience rate if you're not happy with your choice, e.g from 4x to 8x to make it easier. You will not be able to move down from 8x to 4x to make it harder.

 

Will this be an option for all accounts?

For the time being, this will only be available for solo ironman modes(IM, HC, UIM, HCUIM).

 

Why did you decide on 40x/8x/4x?

The reason we decided on those rates is because the solo game modes fit perfectly in the proposed exp rates without causing any disruption to existing accounts.

We discussed changing experience rates of existing accounts to something else(e.g 20x, 10x, 5x), but it would diminish the achievements of other existing players.

 

What about my existing account?

Existing accounts will remain at the same experience rates, with the option to move up for HC and HCUIM.

 

What about other game modes, such as GIM?

There is a little more to take into consideration with the other game modes, so we'd like to hold off for the time being and focus on the solo ironman modes to ensure we do it right.

Regarding normal, classic, and realism modes; those will stay exactly the same.

 

Why can't I pick my own experience multiplier, e.g 12x?

Although that was considered, we'd like to keep accounts within set groups. Some players like competing for ranks so it would be a nightmare figuring out a system for the hiscores.

 

Will there be a way to differentiate different exp rate players?

Yes, we're brainstorming ideas on how to differentiate different exp rate players in-game. If you have any ideas, feel free to suggest below.

 

What's next?

We would like to get some discussion going and see if this is something the community wants to see. If you have any other ideas or would like to ask questions, feel free to do so below.

 

Please vote in the poll above and let us know what you think!

 

Kind regards,

[retrosmash90]

I'm so game 8x would be nice haha
But I'm gim

[Gl]

8x would have been perfect for me to play iron on. Wish it was an option back then.

[Variant]

what a great and unique idea. as far as highscores are concerned, doing them like this would be a simple fix for anyone looking for a specific xp rate ranking.

also id like to add that these xp rates should not nerf the gp given from money caskets in regular pvm, nor should it nerf the bonus's like well of good will or vote book bonus xp to give less xp than what a normal ironman gives already.

[HCUIM AqpW]

Why not allow XP to scale (increase or decrease) automatically when a player changes their XP rate?

[Moonie 8th]

I desire and CRAVE a 1x exprate Ironman mode.

[Gl]

what a great and unique idea. as far as highscores are concerned, doing them like this would be a simple fix for anyone looking for a specific xp rate ranking.

also id like to add that these xp rates should not nerf the gp given from money caskets in regular pvm, nor should it nerf the bonus's like well of good will or vote book bonus xp to give less xp than what a normal ironman gives already.

 

It woud work the same as Iron/UIM works already. Same game mode just different rates.

[UpChurch]

i like slow xp rates x8 or x6 is like a good sweet spot.

[QC]

8x for HCIM (dead) so Ironman after HCIM death would be good. to keep low exp rates. 

[Variant]

with some thought, this would make maxing a hardcore (normal or uim) too easy, maybe leave those at their respective xp rates and only change the non hardcore ones? so normal and uim basically :v

[H]

what a great and unique idea. as far as highscores are concerned, doing them like this would be a simple fix for anyone looking for a specific xp rate ranking.

also id like to add that these xp rates should not nerf the gp given from money caskets in regular pvm, nor should it nerf the bonus's like well of good will or vote book bonus xp to give less xp than what a normal ironman gives already.

Yes, that's how the hiscores would look.

There wouldn't be any specific restrictions. Whichever way it is on the game modes right now, that's how it would be across all of them.

 

 

 

Why not allow XP to scale (increase or decrease) automatically when a player changes their XP rate?

We would like to keep it as simple as possible. A simple change of experience rates from x to y is the easiest way to go about that.

We won't be offering the option of going to slower experience rates, and scaling their experience because it's easier to get to the fastest methods on 40x and gaining a lot of experience and then scaling down to high stats on the slow rate.

 

8x for HCIM (dead) so Ironman after HCIM death would be good. to keep low exp rates. 

Yep! If you set a rate of 8x on your hardcore account, it'll stay at that rate when you die and convert to an ironman.

 

with some thought, this would make maxing a hardcore (normal or uim) too easy, maybe leave those at their respective xp rates and only change the non hardcore ones? so normal and uim basically :v

Some players might want to play a hardcore with slightly faster rates. We're looking to roll this out for solo ironman modes and then potentially GIM modes as well so that it's nice and even across the board and everyone has the option. Limiting it creates a bunch of ifs and buts so we'd like to avoid that.

[Variant]

 

Some players might want to play a hardcore with slightly faster rates. We're looking to roll this out for solo ironman modes and then potentially GIM modes as well so that it's nice and even across the board and everyone has the option. Limiting it creates a bunch of ifs and buts so we'd like to avoid that.

if that's the case, i would think it's better to keep all the current xp rates already available in mind from the beginning, and not limit it to only 40x, 8x, and 4x. I know yall want to keep it simple, but we already know all the xp rates on this game, adding a few more options wouldn't make it THAT much more complicated.

 

I imagine future account creations prompting "pick a game mode" click a continue/next button then it'll say pick an experience rate for your account with a list of all the available ones we have. Giving the solo iron modes this option of all xp rates first, rather than just these 3, helps people feel less "cheated" later i guess?

[Sagacious]

I like the idea although I feel like it is quite late for this change. This could have been done years ago.

 

I think it is fair that you can not go from higher rates to lower rates since you can abuse this, however, if existing players are left without a choice I do not think that is fair. Like someone mentioned we would most likely have some kind of icons or what not to distinguish players with different XP modes, which leaves us with old players having no choice in that matter and have to deal with what they got just because they started earlier. Thus forcing people to start over if they want lower XP and different icon. I think this change should only come if existing players can have the choice as well which I understand is problematic. Perhaps full reset of stats if you were to change from higher XP rate to lower.

 

Just my thoughts at the moment. I voted no for now.

[HCUIM Casket]

I would love this, maybe there would be different perks to the lower exp rate (Without killing the game of course) ...

 

Maybe even a Realism rate for Ironmen also please, what I loved about Realism was how much nicer it was to not blitz through the game right to the end, and on a UIM as well? Perfect

[4 u 2 n V]

let players select there difficulty aswell as account type for example;

 

type:

regular

normal

ironman

etc..

 

difficulty:

regular ___x xp rate (possibly add drop rates boosts also) 0 drop rate boost

normal ___x xp rate 2% drop rate boost

hard ___x xp rate 4% drop rate boost

elite ___x xp rate 8% drop rate boost 

(numbers are jus random idk what percent would be optimal to incorporate)*

 

also the ability to lower or raise difficulty at any time, lowering it would not effect any stats, but raising it will reset all stats/xp, no items would be effected only stats&xp 

[Variant]

I like the idea although I feel like it is quite late for this change. This could have been done years ago.

 

I think it is fair that you can not go from higher rates to lower rates since you can abuse this, however, if existing players are left without a choice I do not think that is fair. Like someone mentioned we would most likely have some kind of icons or what not to distinguish players with different XP modes, which leaves us with old players having no choice in that matter and have to deal with what they got just because they started earlier. Thus forcing people to start over if they want lower XP and different icon. I think this change should only come if existing players can have the choice as well which I understand is problematic. Perhaps full reset of stats if you were to change from higher XP rate to lower.

 

Just my thoughts at the moment. I voted no for now.

what if they give existing players the option to do this, but they have to reset their stats (while wearing nothing ofc). that way players can keep their progress (clogs, ca's, quests, diaries) while also being able to obtain ranks fairly with people who are also that low stat (while obviously having an advantage in skilling supplies, but no real way around that i suppose

[lol Rip]

There's a big jump between 40x and 8x.  Why not a step in between? 15x?

[Darkened]

Absolutely would love this! Reason why I did not enjoy IM as much is because of extremely high exp rates. Would absolutely love the 4x exp.

[E MSU]

8x for HCIM (dead) so Ironman after HCIM death would be good. to keep low exp rates. 

I agree. I like the idea of hardcore accounts keeping their exp rate after death

[Sagacious]

what if they give existing players the option to do this, but they have to reset their stats (while wearing nothing ofc). that way players can keep their progress (clogs, ca's, quests, diaries) while also being able to obtain ranks fairly with people who are also that low stat (while obviously having an advantage in skilling supplies, but no real way around that i suppose

 

Well I was kinda hinting towards this solution. If this were to happen I don't think it would be possible to have fair hiscores. This is not great but I don't think the hiscores are ever going to be fair since how they currently work and have worked from the start. Also I think a server reset would kill this server personally. After resetting stats to 1 and changing to lower XP rate old players would have the gear and supplies to train faster but it's not like they did not work for it. All of this is why I am leaning no on this right now but I like the idea. I guess they can go for it as is on the post but I believe it would feel weird for old players, or at least to me, but maybe at the same time bring in new players.