beans n cake

What is your suggestion?:

Remove KC completion capes from Chambers of Xeric, Theatre of Blood & Tombs of Amascut from Alora's Collection Log

 

 

Is this in OSRS?:

No

 

 

Has this suggestion been accepted already?:

No

 

How would this benefit Alora?:

While these capes are in OSRS's completion log, I would say it's a much cleaner look to only have the raids items in the CL, the capes, even with the recently lowered KC requirements, are quite tedious & not useful.

I think it would be nicer to complete the collection log when you actually receive the last item, regardless of the KC.

I want to begin this post by urging (ironically) respect AND charitability.

If you don't understand someone's position in the comments try and PM them and ask directly or if you must interpret use the most charitable position.

I also would suggest NOT including any player names, including staff members. This allows us to separate emotions and preconceptions of everyone involved and prevent harassment.

As of the past few months others and I have observed rule 1. punishments becoming more and more frequent. This has almost exclusively been interpreted as "Staff Disrespect/Flaming" Many of these have also skipped stages in the punishment process expediting harsher punishments.

For those unfamiliar in full text the rule is as follows:

• b. Content that is publicized via world yell, public chat, or clan chat that is deemed inappropriate, demeaning, or disrespectful per a staff member’s discretion is not permitted and will correspond with the punishments stated above.

Now if you don't know, I do have some IRL experience (5 years) with understanding and interpreting legal statutes.

It is my opinion that this is intended as an umbrella statement that fills in the gaps of sub-section a) to allow staff to punnish someone for demeaning or disrespectful comments that don't fit in the aforementioned categories in sub-section a). As of recently however this rule has been frequently used as a justification to punnish those who've disrespected, demeaned, or hurt the feelings of select staff members.

It is of my opinion and that of many others who play Alora that staff members act as the police and government of the game. To maintain order and facilitate administration. If we draw a comparison to the real world, police and other government administration are not free from criticism, insult, degradation or disrespect. This enables accountability.

In fact satirical or insulting forms of commentary towards these officials is one of the most common and popular forms of modern comedy. Now as volunteers I believe staff should be able to be insulated from the most extreme instances of this. With punishments for racist/sexist/etc comments still being on the table. I do believe much of this could be resolved by allowing staff to use the ignore list in otherwise significant examples of disrespect.

I would like to make it clear that this is a difficult issue and I don't have a perfect solution for it. I do personally believe that currently the interpretation is too vague.

A staff member should be able to communicate with someone who is upset, unfriendly, or disrespectful or at the least delegate that situation to someone else to de-escalate.

Also a player, who may be emotional or overreacting should be able to communicate without feeling as if they're stepping on eggshells not to say anything that could be interpreted as disrespectful or rude to a staff member. All of the communities favorite staff members have been able to navigate this situation with grace and rarely if ever needing to utilize punishing people with this rule. A great example of this was the Infamous Fally Riots and subsequent riots inside of the theatre against a former admin. Often by being funnier, more thoughtful or just killing them with kindness each of these staff members have been favorites in the community because of this. This does describe a plurality of the current staff team by the way imo.

Perhaps I'm biased or misguided on this and much of the community disagrees. However, I encourage you all to take yourself outside of your own preconceptions and think about how you would feel on the players side - would you be likely to reform and continue playing this game or would you be resentful. Hopefully one of y'all is smarter than I and has a better perspective or solution but I'm watching many people leave the game and I think this may play at least a small role in that.

I don't see anything wrong with rule 1b. I'm not going to overanalyze the ;;rules but I'd imagine that rule 1b and other rules are intentionally written with loose language so that staff can use their discretion to deal with unique situations which aren't specifically outlined. Conversely, take a staff member who's having a bad day or has been in their position for years, they might not care in the moment and take advantage of loosely written rules to enforce them unjustly. So I see your point and I agree that it's wrong. I just don't think that rule 1b needs to be changed.

 

However, it sounds like more of an issue of - the staff moderate the players, but who is moderating the staff?

 

If so, isn't that why we have the options to appeal an offense and to report a staff member on the forums? I don't know what the latter looks like behind the scenes, but aren't those the checks and balances to make sure staff aren't overstepping their authority?

 

One thing I don't understand though is why some rules have specific punishments outlined but several rules don't. It opens the door for punishments that might not fit the offense.

 

Overall I agree with much of your post - I just wanted to share my two cents from a perspective that attempts to consider all sides.

Lmao the P.S. is enough for no support.

You can donate smaller amounts and try to sell but yeah, it'd devalue $100

After seeing this all I read was the PS and I thought to myself there's no way this could be real

No support. Similar to suggestions of having TP wizard in DZ. Having TP at home keep home active

 

Fair play can fully appreciate that. Thank you for your feedback 

here is your answer on another forum post about the well :


https://gyazo.com/09...b9d329a25e171a1

 

 

i am not sure why it should change now. 

this is probably in the top 10 records of the penguins extinctions.

penguins need ice and cold place to live, they dont deserve getting jailed.

we should  leave the animals in their wildlife.


also i dont understand why one day its allowed and the next one it is not anymore ( btw from the same staff) without any warning.

+ you get muted 

i mean, if you are doing something wrong you get punished, but why days after? if they are aware of the situation

 

 cant wait to see it explained by the higher ups


in the mean time, free the penguins!!!

 

This has 4 layers of cringe and allow me to elaborate

 

1. Cringe from Player Staff Team in general, as this was likely voted on and I PERSONALLY know multiple of you who've used this safespot specifically in instances with your mates. Yes, Alan may be viewed as a dislikable person for many reasons but the hypocrisy is wild. Also muting him for being annoying (which yes you probably were being annoying Alan) to staff is just pathetic. Police shouldn't have the right in a game or in real life to just use their powers to circumvent or punish someone for someone being annoying or rude to them - that's their job. 
2. Cringe from Developers for having multiple updates pass and not fixing this. I'm certain this has been reported and if it hasn't as it's breaking game rules and is punishable staff should be responsible for reporting and seeing to it getting fixed not the players who are liable to be punished for using it because then it becomes a game of "oh I was just testing it to get video/photo evidence to post the bug report" and no staff member could prove otherwise. 
3. Cringe from @To gain for specifically allowing it then punishing him for doing it without so much as a warning (now this one is tentative because it's possible he warned him and Alan is leaving this out.)
4. Cringe from @Real Alan for having so much goddamn free time that he's able to make this long of a post about a penguin in jail (and muted) for using a safepot. Personally I would have just laughed and said what I always do - Fuck this game and log out. 

Ty GLHF. 

Weird you supported the Run energy revert though? That's not in OSRS. Maybe bring some actual feedback instead of boosting your post count on the forums. Thanks for coming to my TED talk. 

not in osrs shouldnt be on alora. no support 

was a great read, also i cant believe @GIM Stoner actually maxed

edvinas not playing around

dont mess with edvinas

edvinas not playing around

no support, this suggestion is nothing close to be reasonable.

as beans said,clues are already very easy to do with runelite plugin and you can  spam sherlock notes  if 

 

 you dont want to complete a clue. Also you can get alot of clue rewards from lucky imps.

players getting more lazy everyday, if this suggestion is accepted, whats gonna be next? 

a free random drop from any boss everyday? this makes no sence to me.

I will remain neutral until we get some feedback from the Alora Veterans.