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Reading the reasoning and why you think a merge is needed is giving me a rash. This question has been oribiting throughout Alora for a very longtime and undoubtedly has been a HOT topic for many of the wealthy elite players who come over from regular and the classic game mode.

I DO NOT SUPPORT this house pocus abra cadabra nonsense and most DEFINATEKY DO NOT SUPPORT the reasoning behind the Subject matter.

Regardless of this, you have a voice and opinion and glad to be hearing it, since this has been a long standing issue of yours for sometime now.

I have been playing Alora since the start of the first pandemic almost 2-3 years now. Phanny phart (first account ever made and played) has seen people come and go like grease /dirt under the fingernails.

I have also seen people stay, grow and have many 100s of hours "INVESTING TIME" into playing game mode. I imagine this is also the case for you @Lunchy not only just your regular account qccomplishing 4.6B total but your accounts combined.

I see this post from someone who has already invested qlot of time and effort into playing the game, coming over to realism playing a lower experience rate and unable to throw everything at ::shops to speed and make everything easier.

This mode isn't supposed to be easy but most definitely time consuming. If you dont have the time, the dont play it.

Once again NO SUPPORT.

Forgot who posted and cant find anymore but I agree if had more options to choose Game mode and XP rate from start of account this could be easily avoided (ex: Hc, 40x, 8x, 6x, 4x, 2x), or as Dumb said if shops get reworked. IMO realism does feel like an iron, which should not be the point of the mode its supposed to be Normie with slow rates (idk why that's hard to understand), and I know you will get handouts/help if in the realism discord/talk to people, BUT no one should have to feel forced to do that, not everyone prefers that which also goes for whoever had said "Should feel like an iron grind in beginning anyways) that's also an opinion, everyone plays their own way If i have money on an alt why wouldn't I use it to help my account that's supposed to be a Normie, if don't have money you grind... that's how its always been on a Normie which is what we're talking about in this post, realism is not an iron. Lastly, for the people who said "go play classic if want that", well i mean with that mindset can't we say that you could have played EIM/GIM since like to "grind" like an iron when the mode is supposed to be normie but slow (should be anyways).   Overalls thoughts, id prefer if can choose game mode/xp rate before start account so everyone will be happy in end, don't really care if merges or not though.

@Miq @Krest @H

 

When you say Realism should be like Normie instead of like iron, what does even that mean? 

 

You should be able to buy things on Realism for the same price as normie? 

If you just copy & paste normie prices on Realism, then your prices aren't based on supply & demand.

Having prices based on supply and demand is the whole concept of an economy.

Making everything cheap like normie, so it's easier for new players, absolutely does not improve your economy.

It just makes things worse. 

If things don't sell fast, perhaps your prices are too high.  Perhaps, you're selling a product people don't need.

Don't blame slow sales on bad eco, when you just haven't put in the work to get shit done.  

Like... Just because you can't buy the items you want for normie prices, absolutely doesn't mean the Realism eco is bad.

Also... Just because the items you're looking for aren't listed (or there aren't many offers)... that doesn't mean the Realism eco is bad either.

It just means there's a smaller playerbase and no one has (or few have) a surplus of that item for sale... (potential profitable activity)

 

Think about the normie economy for a second.  You've got all ironmen game modes cashing out their dupes on the market.

Say you buy a lightbearer ring.  As more and more dupes enter the market, prices will surely fall. 

Suppliers will try to compete for the lowest price, so their lightbearer rings sell first -> further pushing prices down

Are there enough buyers that want these dupes?  If not, prices will continue to fall -> meaning suppliers are getting less and less gp compensation for their time.

When you don't get enough gp compensation for doing something, activities become not worth doing, as you're better off doing something else.

 

What's my point?  Don't go around using 'make it like normie' to justify 'fixing a bad realism eco'

Dropping prices to match normie is going to hurt new players in the long run, because when these new players start selling their hard earned dupes (on 2x xp game mode) they won't be getting compensated for their time.

Imagine, busting your ass doing hundreds of slayer tasks to get to 90 slayer to unlock cerberus and finally getting a dupe pegasian crystal drop.  Now, you'll want to sell that item to get compensation for your time.

That crystal took you 5 hours of slaying cerberus and days of slayer prep.  Had you spent those 5 hours pickpocking elves, you would have easily made 20m (for instance). 

As a result, you expect whoever's buying from you to compensate your time with at least 20m gp.  After all, money is currency for time to help balance the work people do for each other.

 

Now, if you merge Realism with Normie, you suddenly have increased supply of pegasian crystals. The requirement to becoming a supplier is drastically reduced.

Normie mode players that got 90 slayer in a few hours can suddenly do the work that you busted your ass doing hundreds of slayer tasks to prepare for.

Futhermore, Ironmen that have extra dupes can now become suppliers too... further driving prices down... to the point where you could make more money spending 30 seconds voting for a vote book, than slaying cerberus for an hour.  

This is not the solution.  You're only making the problem worse.  When you go to a new place, you respect the new places rules.  Trying to squeeze a left shoe on a right foot isn't going to fix the problem.

It's just going to cause a lot of pain and piss a lot of people off.

 

 

"I know you will get handouts/help if in the realism discord/talk to people, BUT no one should have to feel forced to do that"

Is it the realism community fault that someone-who-doesn't-play-our-game-mode feels "forced to ask for help" and "forced to join a discord" to play?

If you get PKed in the wild... are you going to blame clans for making you feel forced to join them and their discord?

You signed up for player versus player activity when you stepped into the wild the exact same way you signed up to be apart of a 2x xp game mode when you decided to play on realism.  

It's your choice if you want to team up and get shit done more efficiently.  Don't go around blaming the team for making solo players feel forced to join.

 

We aren't forcing anyone.  We built a community to help players up.  No one is forcing anyone to discord and stopping players from playing by themselves.

Meanwhile... a whole bunch of you guys are trying to force the Normie eco onto the existing Realism community for some reason... to those people.... FK OFF!

I don't play Realism so take my opinion as it is, but I SUPPORT (but I shouldn't get to vote on it)

 

One of the main reasons I do not and will not play realism is because the economy is so twisted and common items which should be easy to get are super inflated in price. I know that the merge would possibly take away the accomplishment of players who grinded out the end game and have full sets of realism BIS gear but this would help the newer players who are just starting and want to play realism but don't want the basically-ironman grind of getting certain items because none exist to trade. 

 

I also don't think non-realism players should make the decision ultimately. It should be up to the realism community. 

Reasons why I think this is a bad idea and shouldn't be implemented:
- Realism exp rate is already very close to the Classic exp rate
- The change would effectively half the bank value of every Realism player
- The vote is being made by players that don't even play the gamemode
- A lot of players do enjoy the separate economy

In summary I would rather a few players be forced to play a slightly higher exp rate gamemode in Classic than ruin the game experience for what is probably a significant amount of old players.

FIRST is i want that votes are ONLY available for realism because this our gamemode,if u don't know our community is one of the best in the server. ps. i bet who voted YES doesn't even have realism or not even 99   80%

And what the point of making realism if you can buy everything of other peaple with normie money, peaple are useing normie money to buy realism items. what the point of playing this gamemode? to be best?

No point of merging ;;shops for pots or whatever because then all Phannys hard work with EVERY single skill goes to drain, and all the blessing going to waste, if u wanna repay then do it.

And u can look at other suggestion that peaple trying to make realism easy and what Omi is doing? denying most of the post.

 

And with 1 year of being part of us you want to destroy alot of Veteran realism hard work? 

 

NO SUPPORT

No, do I need to explain why ? no. 

Absolutely NO SUPPORT. Everything you're asking for can be achieved in realism the way it is now. Even if the economy is as you say it is, why would you not want the extra grind of getting PvM items? Plus if you have a normie as you say you do and you need realism items, ALOT of the realism community will sell late game items for normie GP. Nothing positive comes out of a merge. 

Absolutely not supporting this! 

 

The game mode is fine as it is and rules were established at the beginning of the game mode. Classic is a game mode with low xp rate with normie economy that people can easily try if that's how they want it. However, think about how many people are playing classic mode now, even though they are merged with normie eco, seems far less classic players than realism. 

 

There are more than just 5 active realism players, we all play at different hours of the day so we are not all active at the same time. 

 

There should be no one outside of the realism community that should get a vote on this. Ruining our economy just to a few people to try it and then quitting because the xp rate is still too low is not worth losing the veterans that are playing the game mode already. We have grinding for our levels and have helped each other out, as well as new players who we welcome gladly and help in any way we can. Don't think our community from us because most of the realism players now will quit and that will kill the realism game mode. 

 

This suggestion is what happens when staff take a joke way too fucking far.

 

You know the proverb... A frog in a well knows nothing of the sea?

You basically went around asking different frogs in different wells, what they don't like about the sea.

Then, you took their input and as evidence to support your claim about the sea.  Without ever actually talking to any Realism players. 

 

Anyways, let's break down some of these frogs' reasoning.

 

1. 'I want Normie Eco on realism, because I don't like the Realism Eco on Realism.'  @Lunchy @N @Ivy

It's pretty simple.  You come to a new place.  Then you respect the new place's rules. 

All the items on the Realism eco were earned by players playing under the same 2x xp rate rules.

This was well established at the very start of Realism.

Introducing items earned under a different set of rules is not going to improve the game.  It's only cheating the game and its players.

 

When you embark on the Realism journey, you're essentially signing up for a marathon.  Walk the walk.

Don't try to sneak a motorcycle into the marathon.  The whole point of the marathon is to do it on your own 2 feet with other people playing by the same rules.

If you want a normie game mode with slow xp rate, go suggest fresh start Alora world with 1x xp that merges with normie in half a year.

Start a new competition and see how many people are interested. 

Don't go around trying to change the pre-established marathon rules and fucking it up for all the other past, present, and future marathon gamers.

 

2. 'A few people basically run the economy'

Uhh... another baseless claim...

When you start realism, you get 8 items to contribute to the economy (slots in the TP).  Donating will allow you to contribute more items.  Alternatively, you can put items in on another account's TP.

Naturally, players who have played the longest will have more surplus items to contribute to the economy.  That does NOT mean they run the economy. 

No one is being forced to buy from the TP at outrageous prices.  The items on the TP are meant to be on the high end like a vending machine.

This way they don't sell out right away, allowing player continuous, quick, but costly access to key items.  Can't afford it?  Spend the time getting it yourself.

It's basically an advertisement board.  Private message me with a counteroffer if you need this item. I have extras.

 

To those that think a few people basically run the economy, please provide some actual evidence.  Especially if you're current or ex-staff.

I'm one of those people that sell super restores in the TP for 100k each.  If you think it's overpriced, don't buy from me.

Why don't you go sell the same product at a more affordable price then?  That's how an economy works.

If a new player messaged me asking for some prayer potions, I wouldn't think twice and would just trade over 28 noted potions.  It's not even about the money.

 

You ever wonder what would happen if I listed my super restores at normie price on the realism market?   They'd be bought up real quick by the first person to see it.  

Plus, I'd barely get any compensation for the time it took me to make them.  I could easily make more money just thieving elves, so it makes no sense for me to make pots and then sell it at normie price.

If you think you're the expert on prices, why don't you tell me how much you think realism potions should cost?  Instead of complaining of inflated costs, tell me what an acceptable cost is.

 

Honestly, it's pretty simple.  If you put the item in the trading post, you get to determine how much it costs to withdraw it.

No one is forcing people to buy your stuff.  It's a free market.  Don't want to buy something, go get it yourself. 

Supply is limited to realism players.  No ironmen dropping their dupes into your market.

Don't like how there are so few suppliers?  Why don't you become a supplier yourself?

 

3. 'Only a few people are keeping it alive right now, because new people don't want to join it.'

Where's your proof that only a few people are keeping it alive?  I have a whole realism discord to prove otherwise.

Let's compare and see who's evidence is more reliable.  Perhaps the real reason new people don't want to join is from lack of support from the server.

The server has been pushing leagues -> gim -> HC gim.  There hasn't been ANY staff leadership in the realism department.  

Instead, staff has been constantly making merge realism jokes for years now... 

Perhaps the real reason, there aren't as many new realism players... is because the staff team does a terrible job at encouraging it.

They just joke around, spreading gossip about merging Realism.  

 

Besides, what's your evidence?  You talked to a dozen people who play other game modes and asked them what they don't like about realism?

 

How many people are keeping HC GIM alive?  Should we merge that too?  No, because the game mode's rules were well establish on release.

 

4. 'It bothers me when people buy Realism GP with Normie GP'. 

What's the problem?  Swapping between game modes is on OSRS too.

How does buying Realism GP bother you, but not buying GIM Bank?

If you don't like it, just don't do it.  Even on normie, people swap real life currency for in-game gp via custom donation.  So what? 

 

Question for you...

You mentioned realism is the best game mode, but you failed to provide any reasoning.  Why do you think realism is the best game mode?

 

You mentioned that you talked to 'long term realism players.'  Which long term realism players did you talk to? 

 

Which long term realism player told you that shops is main reason against realism merge?

Because I can think of a dozen better reason why a merge would be bad.  Starting with it ruins the integrity of the game.

 

  

I support the idea of Omi granting anyone who wants a one way transfer from Realism to Classic. 

Okay, as someone who has been playing realism for nearly entirity of his playtime. I can only say big no to this for a few reasons.

 

Realism has some of the sweatiest gamers and a lot of the achievements come from grinding for your supplies. I personally would instantly quit the server as the last challenge game mode for me is gone at that point. I feel like a lot of people just vote yes because they want to max realism from the bank buying out all normie supplies and just max easily.

 

We already got a low exp normie mode being classic. And that mode is completely devaluated by being able to buy uncuts/herbs/seeds and so much more and spam 200ms in a super fast and easy way.

 

And then im not even talking about realism players getting 3^rd of the gp from caskets/revenant emblems/ensouled heads. Which pretty much result in me losing out on 5b+ just from rev gp drops. Probably another 1b in caskets from slayer and another 500m from ensouled heads from doing 15k greater demons/abbysal demons just for 99 slayer.

 

Ex. Phanny phart would pretty much instantly quit his grind to 4.6b as of now he is/was using 2 different accounts to fund his entire 200m grinds. (He has over 4b realism exp on slayer/woodcutting/mining and rc and slayer alts) And that’s just one of the sweaty players, not even talking about kurfue, alan, Denmark, cheese, myself, exe, trumpwonbro.

 

Doing the realism merge will only result in 95% of realism community quitting the server cus it pretty much completely deletes all incentive to play the mode, and they’ll just end up leaving alora. And I love how not a single yes vote is someone with a realism account.

 

And to answer the ironman remarks of some here. If you guys played the fresh start worlds were blowpipes were 50m also at start. A lot of endgame realism players just collect their stuff for 200ms. I personally did sarachnis for 99 crafting. And I only did that dead boss which I would’ve never done for the sole purpose of getting supplies.

 

Tl:dr. It’d be great memes. But it would honestly result in most realism players quitting the game and move to other servers/games. And Ill definitely be one of them. Also I love how not a single person who plays realism have voted yes. And the reasoning from most pretty much all comes down to "Its too hard for me to get the forum award". Alot of realism players pick the seperate econ for the sole purpose of every drop meaning something to their account progression.